Osaisiko joku guru kertoa miten tuo EGR venttiili toimii ainakin x16xel koneessa?
Itsellä F-astra sytyttää vikavalon n. puolen tunnin ajon jälkeen ja vikakoodi on 47. Laitoin romikselta "uuden" EGR:n konehuoneeseen killumaan piuhan varaan ja lähdin kruisailemaan. Sepäs ei auttanutkaan. Edelleen on 47 ja auto tekee aivan samaa. Onko EGR ilman virtaa ns. tulppana eli kiinniolevana?
Vai pitäisikö vaan laittaa "uusi" EGR vanhan tilalle. On vaan niin ihanassa paikassa..
EGR venttiilin sielunelämä
Re: EGR venttiilin sielunelämä
47 siis on EGR asentotunnistus. Onko tuo asennon tunnistus jonkin muiden asioiden summa vai tekeekö se EGR mötikkä sen? Voisikohan olla molemmat EGR:t sökö, romiksen ja mun.
Re: EGR venttiilin sielunelämä
X16XEL on varustettu MAP anturilla, ei ilmamassamittarilla. Moottorinohjaus odottaa notkahdusta imusarjan alipaineessa kun EGR aukeaa.
X18XE/X20XEV/X18XE1 ovat taasen ilmamassamittarilla varustettuja ja niissä EGR:n tulppaus onnistuu.
X18XE/X20XEV/X18XE1 ovat taasen ilmamassamittarilla varustettuja ja niissä EGR:n tulppaus onnistuu.
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Re: EGR venttiilin sielunelämä
Kiitos nopeasta vastauksesta!
Noniin, tässä se vika varmaan sitten on. Puhdistelen tuon romiksen EGR:n ja laitan kiinni ihan koneeseen asti. Olen lukenut foormilta, että ihmiset olisivat tehneet tähän x16xel koneeseen alumiinista sokean tiivisteen EGR:lle, mutta jos MAPpi tutkii imusarjan painetta EGR:n avautuessa ei se voi toimia. Olen myös miettinyt, että olisikohan vika joku ihan muu kuin tuo EGR esimerkiksi sytytyspuola? Vai antaisiko silloin muitakin vikakoodeja?
Noniin, tässä se vika varmaan sitten on. Puhdistelen tuon romiksen EGR:n ja laitan kiinni ihan koneeseen asti. Olen lukenut foormilta, että ihmiset olisivat tehneet tähän x16xel koneeseen alumiinista sokean tiivisteen EGR:lle, mutta jos MAPpi tutkii imusarjan painetta EGR:n avautuessa ei se voi toimia. Olen myös miettinyt, että olisikohan vika joku ihan muu kuin tuo EGR esimerkiksi sytytyspuola? Vai antaisiko silloin muitakin vikakoodeja?
Re: EGR venttiilin sielunelämä
Itse tulppasin G Astran X16XEL:n EGR:n ja tuloksena oli vikavalo. Ja tulppasin vieläpä lähes uuden ja toimivan, eli valo ei johtunut siitäkään. Ja häiriö katosi kun poisti sokean laipan.
Taas x20xev:n ja x18xe1: tulppaus ei aiheuttanut mitään. Alavääntö vain parani.
Ja tuo x16xel:n vikavalo syttyi vain moottorijarrutuksessa esim hidastettaessa 100-80.
Mut onko F Astran x16xel:ssä vielä ilmamassamittari?
Taas x20xev:n ja x18xe1: tulppaus ei aiheuttanut mitään. Alavääntö vain parani.
Ja tuo x16xel:n vikavalo syttyi vain moottorijarrutuksessa esim hidastettaessa 100-80.
Mut onko F Astran x16xel:ssä vielä ilmamassamittari?
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Re: EGR venttiilin sielunelämä
Ei ole, kyllä F-astran x16xel:ssä on mappianturi.
Re: EGR venttiilin sielunelämä
Kyllä ecua pitää huijata x16xel koneessa jos EGR:n meinaa tulpata. Muuten ollaan limp home modessa.
EGR system
Modern engine that run at high temperatures with high compression tend to produce a high level of NOx. NOx production can be
reduced by recycling a small amount of exhaust gas into the combustion chamber. So long as the recycling of the exhaust gas is
properly controlled, the engine operation will be little affected. The EGR system used in later versions of the GM-Multec
equipped vehicles is controlled by the ECM according to signals received from the various sensors. Components used in this
EGR control system include a combined EGR CS (EGR Control Solenoid), EGR lift valve sensor and EGR valve and an EGR
amplifier (X12/16SZ only). The EGR CS and the EGR amplifier are both supplied with voltage from the ignition switch.
A passage connects the the inlet and exhaust manifolds and the EGR valve is located so that it controls the opening and closing
of the passage. The EGR valve is normally held closed by a spiral spring. On receipt of a pulsed signal from the ECM, the EGR
CS acts upon the EGR valve which opens to allow a metered volume of exhaust gas into the inlet manifold. The opening time of
the EGR valve is varied according to the control signal acting upon the EGR CS with a duty cycle that varies according to the
degree of control required.
EGR is controlled by the ECM with regard to vehicle speed, coolant temperature and engine load. EGR must not occur during
idle speed or full load conditions (at all temperatures) or during the cold start and engine warm-up period.
When EGR conditions are suitable, the ECM consults a map detailing the amount of lift required to meter exhaust gas recycling.
A signal is then sent directly to the EGR CS (X16SZR) or to the EGR amplifier (X12/16SZ) which in turn amplifies the signal in
order to pulse the EGR CS valve. On receipt of the pulse, the CS opens the EGR valve to introduce a metered volume of
exhaust gas into the inlet manifold. The EGR sensor detects the actual amount of EGR lift and the ECM compares the signal
from the sensor to the stored map value. If the two values differ, the ECM signals the EGR control solenoid valve to make the
requisite adjustment. This procedure continually occurs whilst the EGR system is active.
The EGR lift valve sensor is an example of a three wire sensor with a resistance that varies according to the position of the lift
valve. A 5.0 volt supply is connected to the sensor and to the ECM sensor return circuit. A signal voltage varying from 1.2 to 4.3
volt is returned to the ECM depending upon the position of the lift valve.
EGR system
Modern engine that run at high temperatures with high compression tend to produce a high level of NOx. NOx production can be
reduced by recycling a small amount of exhaust gas into the combustion chamber. So long as the recycling of the exhaust gas is
properly controlled, the engine operation will be little affected. The EGR system used in later versions of the GM-Multec
equipped vehicles is controlled by the ECM according to signals received from the various sensors. Components used in this
EGR control system include a combined EGR CS (EGR Control Solenoid), EGR lift valve sensor and EGR valve and an EGR
amplifier (X12/16SZ only). The EGR CS and the EGR amplifier are both supplied with voltage from the ignition switch.
A passage connects the the inlet and exhaust manifolds and the EGR valve is located so that it controls the opening and closing
of the passage. The EGR valve is normally held closed by a spiral spring. On receipt of a pulsed signal from the ECM, the EGR
CS acts upon the EGR valve which opens to allow a metered volume of exhaust gas into the inlet manifold. The opening time of
the EGR valve is varied according to the control signal acting upon the EGR CS with a duty cycle that varies according to the
degree of control required.
EGR is controlled by the ECM with regard to vehicle speed, coolant temperature and engine load. EGR must not occur during
idle speed or full load conditions (at all temperatures) or during the cold start and engine warm-up period.
When EGR conditions are suitable, the ECM consults a map detailing the amount of lift required to meter exhaust gas recycling.
A signal is then sent directly to the EGR CS (X16SZR) or to the EGR amplifier (X12/16SZ) which in turn amplifies the signal in
order to pulse the EGR CS valve. On receipt of the pulse, the CS opens the EGR valve to introduce a metered volume of
exhaust gas into the inlet manifold. The EGR sensor detects the actual amount of EGR lift and the ECM compares the signal
from the sensor to the stored map value. If the two values differ, the ECM signals the EGR control solenoid valve to make the
requisite adjustment. This procedure continually occurs whilst the EGR system is active.
The EGR lift valve sensor is an example of a three wire sensor with a resistance that varies according to the position of the lift
valve. A 5.0 volt supply is connected to the sensor and to the ECM sensor return circuit. A signal voltage varying from 1.2 to 4.3
volt is returned to the ECM depending upon the position of the lift valve.